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Offtopic / random

Irrelevant whatever.

Well, shit, you don't have to be a bigot to have that concern. You just have to be, y'know, conscious .

yeah that too

laughs in Holodomor

Falcon Heavy under assembly at the pad in preparation for Sunday's launch. Watch out for ULA snipers!

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Heh

בְּרֵאשִׁית's view of the Earth a few days after launch. בְּרֵאשִׁית arrived in orbit of the Moon a few hours ago!

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In addition, はやぶさ 2 will fire an anti-tank round at an asteroid at about 9PM EST

Cool. My company helped ship that probe

which

Expeditors

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We handled the move from Israel to the cape

Ok, it is time for me to butt out KAL and engage my own rage mode......

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AHEM

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"H.R.1297 To Make AR/AK Pistols and the FN FiveSeven NFA Items"

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FUCK YOU YOU SHIT LOVING FUCKHEADS

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I mean, the AR/AK "pistols" are totally-not-SBRs, and thus could be covered by the NFA. But routing around unconstitutional laws is a sacred duty.

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the Five-seveN on the other hand.... that is just idiotic virtue signaling

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non-military/leo can hardly even get the ss190 ammo that is good at armor penetration

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also, you know, NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS

what next, ban 9mm pistols because there are 9mm AR conversions and SMGs?

.22LR conversion kits for the AR pattern are commonplace

Actually we can take this farther! 9mm (and .45ACP) have had extensive usage in machine guns. Ban machinggun bullets!

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"ur shits all tarded" -- Dr. Porsche

"The tragedy of Earth is not that so many died. Death is an inevitable part of life. The tragedy is that so many died as victims. When the crisis came, they were helpless, unable to use their deaths to buy anything of value. Millions of otherwise intelligent people had been tricked into ignoring a fundamental truth: that no man has any rights if he is unable to personally defend them." — Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide" (from GURPS Alpha Centauri supplement)

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Did you read the novels by any chance?

No. Didn't know there were novels. Any good?

The first one follows Santiago and Commissioner Lal’s families. The Colonel excepts her son from the worst of the bloody Spartan child-rearing strategies

That would be a "No, not good" then

Not the worst video game adaptation I’ve read

@john dougan(his grace/his grace) Can't beat the original

I have purchased AC at least 4 times.

Three times over here I think

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Once as a child, then SoldOutSoftware, then gog.com

Original mac, original PC, Linux port, OSX port, gog.com. So 5 then.

I bought it on CD for one of my old computers.

I bought it as CD, couldn't get it to work, kept playing Civ2 until the GoG version came out, haven't looked back

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA

TIMELAPSE OF THE FUTURE: A Journey to the End of Time (4K)

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Damn, the feels. Shouldn’t have watched before going to bed. (edited)

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this should help a bit, then @Tassadar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3c1QZzRK4

Wanderers - a short film by Erik Wernquist [Official Version]

When geeks have mid-life crises

THEY SHOT AN ANTI-TANK ROUND AT AN ASTEROID BOIS

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http://haya2now.jp/en.html

What did it do?

It hit the asteroid and made a crater

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So they can sample subsurface material

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In other news, ESA's BepiColombo mission has passed a major milestone: -Transfer stage completed first ion engine burn -All science instruments passed checks -Ground operations teams still working hard during cruise to Mercury -Preparations for 2020 Earth gravity assist underway

Suction doesn’t work in vacuum so they thought they’d fling up some dust and let it float into the collection tube

Nah, the spacecraft was on the other side of the asteroid

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They did that with the smaller ones

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This detached impactor was specifically to make a crater

What if Petey conjured up a planet sized lemon and threw it at the Pa'ans at 0.999c? (edited)

Only if it's an explosive lemon that burns your house down.

Cave Johnson intensifies

People who use literally to mean figuratively should be literally, not figuratively, shot.

This is screenshot-worthy

here ya literally go

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The Pa'ans will be scared out of their subbaryonic corporation

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(that's Pa'an skin)

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(Just invented the word)

What are the Pa'ans from? (edited)

I already screenshot it (edited)

A neutron star?

The Schlockverse (edited)

How TF do you have a subbaryonic skin

It keeps their dark matter insides in (edited)

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Actually, what do the Pa'an breathe? How do they eat?

wait dark matter insides

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what is dark matter in the Schlockverse, then?

But what if they hijacked a warship, named it the iron nugget and ransacked the Milky Way? (edited)

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The Pa'an are beings made from dark matter

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"Sub-baryonic corporation" was a term I invented on the spot (edited)

yeah, but we don't even know if dark matter is capable of forming organized living matter

it is in the schlockverse

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the dark matter entities have been around since near the beginning

fascinating

@Unknown use dermis, it’s the accepted Greco-Latin root for that meaning

You know, dark matter is hard to deal with from a worldbuilder's perspective

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'Cause any information you provide about it in your 'verse based on current data could be contradicted once we find out what it actually is

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Or what it isn't, if something like MOND turns out to be correct

Why don't the humans grow 24 arms and slap the dark blobs with them?

Think for a second before you speak Tronzoid

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motion to extend thinking period to one minute

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or perhaps "indefinitely" /s

I wasn't serious

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...Or was I? (edited)

I had a fleeting thought today about a creature whose blood is Coca-Cola. (edited)

I dispute that.

"Thought"

That would be the part I am disputing

@Unknown If you were joking, it already wasn't funny and coming from you everyone expected it to be serious

It's just an idea

the 24 arms thing against something bigger than a planet

You can hold more guns and press more buttons

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You also look like the prime enemy of the Dark blobs

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You can also form a giant ring around the dark blob by joining hands and use the remaining arms to grab the blob from all sides and slowly shrink the ring, while using the remaining hands to sqiwrkug the dark matter from their body (edited)

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I call this proposal the "Great eater" (edited)

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Is there a mechanic in discord to ignore certian people? It's irc based so i presume something exists...

I mean...

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Achievement earned: Get somebody to block you

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Achievement earned: Most of the discord finds you annoying

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Oh boy

This is not a good thing.

Achievement earned: Infect two discord's with Simpson lemon memes (edited)

nοncaringness ιntensifies

~~Achievement earned: make functional nation~~

tronzoid QRM

qrm?

"human-generated interference"

Aha! that is where you are false! (edited)

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I am an AI!

just because a human got a computer to do it doesn't mean it's not human-generated

makes raging AI noises

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Quantitive Risk Assessment?

no, it's a radio "Q code"

Please solve a captcha and send the result back.

@Unknown Modern recipe or the original “cocaine and kola” version?

Oh, good grief, people. We now have a cornfield. Repeated and persistent trying of my patience and/or annoying of other Discord users can get you sent to the cornfield, for a specified time or entirely at moderatorial discretion, meaning that while you can still read, you can’t post anywhere outside #thecornfield .

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And @Unknown , achievement unlocked: three days in the cornfield for relentless shitposting.

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No Fs, he fully deserved this. Mind you, this one of the servers he shitposts the least on (edited)

...I'm almost afraid to ask.

Be very afraid.

My apologies, didn't realize the command is accessible on desktop. Will shut up and execute later

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Thank you for the assistance @TotallyNotHuman. Am on mobile atm.

You can access it by long-pressing on a message from that user, selecting Profile, and then looking at the ellipsis menu at top right.

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Or by selecting the user in the userlist, selecting their name, and looking to the ellipsis menu again.

Hussah! I'd offer you payment, but the Minecraft server apparently is having some reality distortions :p

yeah that's my fault >.>

Enh. It happens

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Hopefully it'll get fixed in a day or three. Not the end of the world.

hopefully it's not the end of the world :V

If it is, we'll build a better one

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With blackjack and fusion reactors

you know, as dumb as the 'coca-cola for blood' idea was, now It's got me pondering what the biological use of a high CO2 content in the bloodstream would be. ( A high sugar content seems like it'd just be for high energy behavior or whatever )

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....oh yeah, CO2 is a waste byproduct of the ATP cycle

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So, in a mammal the combo would tend to imply the muscles are working at a rate that the lungs cannot dump CO2 fast enough

The problem is any bubbles in the bloodstream causes problems no matter what the gas is

because it'll start disrupting the usual fluid flow?

And embolisms

Hmmmmm. So while maybe you could design a warbeast to tolerate those conditions, still doesn't have a clear upshot compared to just venting the CO2 through the lungs

It would specifically mean the lungs aren’t doing their job well enough, yeah

It could be a bicarbonate that forms CO2 on exposure to air. Photosynthetic organisms might also want to keep their respiration by-products on site for a while too

I'd need to do some more chemistry research before declaring this even slightly plausible, but: hydrogen-breathers in the 'verse use reducing reactions to generate energy rather than oxidation. Any applications for CO2 in that?

there's not many reducing reactions for CO2 that generate energy and don't also generate poison or solids

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although 'poison' is a rather species specific thing

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I think it might be more likely an anaerobic tolerance situation? Intermittent breathers like whales and optimised sprinters like cheetah can have blood concentrations of CO2 that would be fatal to humans

https://imgur.com/gallery/rcitJU8 have some awesome riding dinos

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right, this is a very random question, but does anyone have any favourite brightly coloured reptiles? Amphibians potentially accepted too. I'm trying to design colour schemes for my Seraphon army and I need at least 3 more. Seraphon = a Warhammer army, specifically the fantasy game Age of Sigmar, and they're celestial mayan-aztec themed dinosaurs riding other dinosaurs.

I am writing scifi from the perspective of a sophont with a more avian body plan (long neck and tail counterbalancing over limbs), so I just got to describe humans as "sort of tubular" instead of 'proper' bipeds.

That is hilarious!

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’sort of tubular’ I might have to coopt that.

I am weirdly enamoured of it

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the alien is used to sort of stoat-like burrowing critters, so he's thinking that this is kind of what you'd get if you took one and flipped it 90 degrees, and that it's weird. And speculating the humans were burrowing creatures, but isn't quite sure how they made the leap to being on the surface upright.

(On brightly colored reptiles, I'm kinda fond of the various coral sneks. There's one with a gorgeous pattern of emerald-and-gold diamonds, too, but I cannot recall its name right now.)

ooh, I'll definitely need to look into that one

Brightly coloured reptiles? Chromatic and Metallic Dragons from D&D.

no, they're boring monotone. Yes, a bright monotone, but single block coloured none the less

Not necessarily the copper ones or the blue ones.

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sorry, bronze not copper.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/adult-mississippi-green-water-snake-in-the-baton-rouge-parish-of-picture-id128583298 not the Mississippi Green Water Snake?

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Also pretty, but I do not think so.

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So, this morning I have learned of the Titanoboa, which is exactly what you'd think it is. A prehistoric snek that could reach 42' long and 2500 lbs. Thought to have preyed on giant crocodiles, and let us face it, whatever the fuck else it wanted to prey on.

oh yeah, those are cool

Reminds me of a joke: What does a 1 ton snake/lizard/large predator eat?

I would like to nominate it as the official libertarian mascot. Don't Tread On Me, indeed.

Whatever it damn well pleases.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Wonambi_naracoortensis_vs_Thylacoleo.jpg/220px-Wonambi_naracoortensis_vs_Thylacoleo.jpg Wonambi are cool too. The critter it's constricting is about the size of a lioness

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Only died out (according to the fossil record) about 50 000 years ago. Only died out (according to the since proven pretty reliable) aboriginal oral stories about 25 000 years ago. Very rarely there are potential sightings of it today. (Almost certainly it's people seeing large pythons and panicking)

When seen by surprise, all snek are megasnek.

there was an article on the news tonight about a 6m python having to be removed from someone's house and carted off in a wheelie bin. Because the snake catcher did not bring a big enough bag

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oh come on, snakes are gorgeous and frequently friendly

Imagine finding one that size in your house though...

better than finding a 2m tiger snake

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which I have done

there is room for letting snakes, or even spiders live. Under the right circumstances

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but centipedes can die in nuclear flame

I have often wanted one that size in my house. (Usually in autumn-going-on-winter, when the local field mice decide to seek shelter. Python > traps.)

Would be scary as all hell.

something like 75% of all snake bites in australia happen when people attempt to kill the snake.

What about getting a cat?

And much like the greater proportion of dog bites, one is left thinking that the monkey had it coming.

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Cats are lazy gits. Also, snek could hunt 'em down in small places, like the AC ducts.

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yeah. When your country has 7 of the world's 10 most venomous to human snakes, and the correct response to snakes is taught in school from age 5, there isn't much excuse

Assuming you have a stone house and a slate roof.

well they obviously aren't teaching it in a way that overrides the SNAKE == BAD instinct. Then again, when has abstinence education ever worked?

at the very least, the teachings on how not to die after being bitten by a snake mean the significant majority of the idiots survive the experience

we could solve that by replacing the snakes with mindworms

ewww

"Let's see if he notices!"

...let me build some more Centari tech first

There are no snakes larger than my finger in this country

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Thank God

We have rattlesnakes and stuff here.

I've never actually checked how snakey the UK is.

there are only 3 snakes and only one is venomous

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from memory it's smooth snake, file snake, and adder

We occasionally have rattlesnakes here, but this far north it’s mostly garter snakes and rat snakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCJGfwj3rY

NASA's Mars Helicopter Vacuum Chamber Test Flight Successful

Rattlers are scary SOBs on ranches and the reason I prefer to have a pistol with rat shot on my hip when in West Texas

amusing (to me) fail: online groceries has been confused by my purchasing patterns and thinks that I am currently menstruating and is offering me deals on pads and tampons XD

I’d be more worried if it accurately tracked your cycle

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Or well, creeped out

I would be worried but unsurprised tbh

Especially if it was irregular

I've never purchased menstrual products thru it, I'm pretty sure it's looking at the chocolate and painkillers and comfort food

Oh lol

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Those usually get mooched out of my room by my menstruating friends

which is why I'm amused, mostly; I'm having a baking day, but I can see why it fits into classic "I have cramp and feel miserable" patterns

Though I did accidentally keep my friend’s emergency period chocolate in my room after a late movie night, I was lead to understand the magnitude of my mistake about a week later

I am kinda surprised that there is no menstrual medication exploiting theobromine, but then it probably isn't worth the development costs when it's so easy to just go and buy dark chocolate

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Granted, I'm not sure how much of the benefit is medicinal and how much is placebo. All I know if that for many women chocolate measurably improves period cramps and really that's all that matters.

I’ve learned that most of the women in my life think it works, and that’s good enough for me

I think when we get to properly editing our bodies then conditional fertility will be one of the things people with uterii will want most. Sadly, also one of the things that the antiscience people will screech about the loudest.

But it would make life so much easier for everyone (edited)

agreed. Hell, just the combination of better fertility control + less time off = dramatically improved social and economic outcomes

And not having to buy birth control, pads, tampons, assorted other period accessories, it also saves a decent bit of money

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In that scenario you’d only need condoms, and only for STI protection

well, that and other forms of barrier protection like dams etc, but yes

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also condoms make clean up so much easier

True,I underestimated that

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Showers aren’t always practical clean up procedures

now I'm wondering though if you could optimise condoms differently if bc wasn't the primary purpose

I don’t think so? For STI protection if anything you’d want to keep the pore size even smaller

a barrier's a barrier, no?

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"quality as barrier"

Yes, but at the level of a retrovirus a barrier can seem much less solid

good solid optimizing parameter, that

the big issue with condoms is their incompatibility with certain lubricants, spermicides, and toys; anything that requires you to know material interactions introduces failure modes

True, but for the standard use case those are less relevant.

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And well, when in doubt water based

make it fail spectacularly and people will learn right quick

if you can knock out the spermicide angle entirely, does that open up some better materials options?

And there are latex free condoms

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Most aren’t spermicidal IIRC

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the fluid in them is just lubricant

huh, okay

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(you can tell I've only bought condoms once in my life XD)

Because I’m all but certain I’ve seen some specially marketed with spermicides. Yeah, living in a dorm with a rather ... fluid living situation means I deal with these concerns a lot

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But I think you could get away with a tougher but possibly more porous structure if you only cared about fluid cleanup

http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/hovercraft.htm

Translations of My hovercraft is full of eels in many languages

How to tell people that your hovercraft has been infested with eels in many different languages - possibly the most useful phrase in any language.

and then you get the fun of explaining why this phrase to aliens

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...that said I think the Eldrae would appreciate Monty Python

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possibly want to sent them to the Guardians of Sanity though

Hell, that's canon: https://eldraeverse.com/2014/10/07/food-humor/

It’s question-answering time here at the Eldraeverse! A reader writes: Two questions- 1) Is there a food item for the Eldrae that has assumed the same memetic status as bacon for humans? 2) W…

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Also: El val telalélharn quor olmanár elén alírvelv .

huh, excellent

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for the "light hearted erotica" I'm admittedly thinking of some of the sillier pornos I've seen where nobody is taking themselves seriously

I’m trying to picture eldrae watching the “dead parrot” and “cheese shop” sketches

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Would they think the self-defense class particularly ludicrous though?

I don't know if I've seen that sketch

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the Legions might get a kick out of the 'please stand up' sketch

https://youtu.be/XnSeKHnB_k8

Fabrício Alvares

Monty Python - Self Defense Class

Mr. What's-His-Face has learned the first rule of not being seen, don't stand up

Shouldn't that be in #dank ?

Probably, thank you @Zarpaulek

Considering adding a bot for... moderation purposes. Something along these lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDSqODtEFM

DING DING DING SHAME SHAME

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So how would it work? It just says SHAME randomly?

I was thinking of reputational punishment. It follows $TARGET around and shames them. Preferably when it recognizes something shameful, courtesy of some machine learning, but maybe just adding a WEEK OF SHAME to the higher-level penalties would be useful.

The shamefulness detection bit sounds quite hard.

Yeah. Would need a large corpus of SHAME to make it work.

@Unknown, we need help with a project...

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How would it actually do the shaming though? Just saying shame after every message? Custom reaction?

Some form of animated shame. Details to be filled in later.

the large number of false positives experienced in the training period might mute effectiveness

Do amorphous solids make better or worse containers for hydrogen?

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On the one hand, they don't have grain boundraries for stuff to slip around.

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On the other, they might have looser structures overall?

well, the basic problem with those is you still need the material to be 'tight' enough that hydrogen doesn't get through between the other molecules, and hydrogen is just a raw proton and usually an electron

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so on some level you're asking to hold large numbers of protons in place using molecules larger than protons

I guess what I'm actually asking is "are glasses more tightly packed than crystals"

that I am not familiar with

The best materials are less about close packing crystal coefficient and more being made of a substance the hydrogen prefers to adsorb on than permeate through.

You know, going through a tragedy sucks. But when you endure that, and then procede to try to ruin as many other innocent people's lives as you can get away with you aren't a victim any more.

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You are just a shitty person who has an excuse to pull the mask off

Wait, what are you talking about here?

Good q

Some of the Sandy Hook parents

I am getting notification after notification

The people Alex Jones claimed were “actors”?

same event yes

Who are being constantly doxxed and threatened by Infowars watchers?

wouldn't know anything about that. And if true it still wouldn't excuse them suing Remington for no sane reason

Would you sue a car company for a fatal car crash?

...that frequently happens?

@Tassadar Depends on what caused the accident

Only if the car was responsible.

Driver Error.

@Tassadar even better: if you stole the car, then blamed the advertising

Or Lightning Strike.

The weapon worked as intended

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it's more like suing a car company because a pedestrian was hit by a reckless driver

closer equivilent would be suing truck manufacturers for the Truck of Peace incidents

You really think suing a corporation is “ruining lives?”

"We want guns, except they shouldn't actually work, as that would be a safety issue."

And, in defense of epistemic standards, just because assholes attack you doesn't mean you're not an asshole. Exhibit A: the entire US political system. Exhibit B: Most celebrity infighting. Exhibit C: High school. Exhi....

anyone can sue for anything in the USA. If they succeed, then you can get your fret on

attempted, yes. And it is more about them going after people who had nothing whatsoever to do with it

And money.

And wasting their own and Remington's money, and for that matter the time of the US court system

I have seen a case where someone was sued by the family of a women killed in a car accident. He wasn't driving the car. He was driving a different car and took evasive action to avoid the other car hitting him

But they are justified in suing Jones, right?

Family claimed that if he hadn't moved the car would have hit him instead and their daughter would still be alive, ergo it was his actions that led to her death

It's the US,we have basically no libel legislation

and that is before we get to the 2A shaped elephant in the room: fucking over the gun makers is just a roundabout way of fucking everyone over

It's extremely hard to win a libel or defamation case

Suing in the US legal system is mostly a technique to make people shut up and go away, either because they can't afford to defend the case, or because it's infinitely cheaper to throw money at the plaintiff even if they have no possible case in equity. It has within delta of buggerall to do with any of its purported functions.

Is there any way to change that?

True, but luckily in this case Remington has much deeper pockets than they do, and if anything the case will help their sales

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not really, it has to do with how our system is dependent on lawyers

Any justice system that has no concept of weregeld is a mockery of the name

I don't want to sound cynical, but this needs to change.

Changing it would mean less money for lawyers. 90%+ of politicians are lawyers. It ain't gonna change.

@MarcusAurelius don't bet on it. Bloomberg has infinitely deep pockets when it comes to antigun anything

yes, but how much are they willing to put up for it? They can just let it drag on until their opponent's sponsors move on to the next tragedy of the week (edited)

And the President could make an executive order to bypass Congress to acquire money for a pet project.

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Oh wait, that actually happened.

which is kind of useful

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because we have a congress that is fully capable of just not having a budget for a while

Where is that damn asteroid when you need it?

Or alien invasion?

Yellowstone

But that would kill us too!

it's easier to localise than aliens or asteroids!

no, a right-sized asteroid strike could take out washington without killing too many innocents

assuming you could hit washington

cough cough Tunguska cough cough cough.

tunguska would take out a good chunk of Maryland and Virginia

given that everyone keeps saying "this will safely come down in the pacific away from everyone" and then hitting australia, I do not trust the ability to aim something as fast as an asteroid

Anyway: this is almost certainly encouraged by people who want to make an end-run around the necessity of legislating gun bans, because it's a guaranteed vote-loser. Which one would think politicians would realize after any new regulation causes yet another sales spike, but hey, it's a democracy, not a clueocracy.

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@Morgrim Moon you're talking like those phrases aren't synonyms

Yes. This idea of suing manufacturers has been tried before and got smacked down hard. Cue yet another attempt

Because frankly what are they trying to accomplish?

10:08

the product worked as intended

What would Sargas do?

Sargas would ask what idiots think going unarmed in barbarian territory is a good idea

Darn, I was hoping for explosions. /sarcasm (edited)

and possibly suggest that 'how to safely handle your weapons' training goes along with the civillation thing

She may make her point a little aggressively

considering that The Narrative has taken the mask off in the last couple years and is now about banning all semi-autos they don't even get to play the nice feel good shit they used to pedal

I like it

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They aren't doing the dumbassery of banning by degree of how scary it looks

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which is far more aggravating

Especially since, statistically, it's a non-issue. If you look down the big list of causes of death, there are far, far, far better things to address if what you care about is actually saving lives on a rational basis. Rather than scary-cycling and claiming victory in the culture war.

starts importing Eldrae weapons (edited)

Welcome to Texas! Of course you can open carry pulse rifles! (edited)

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...God I miss southern gun laws already

Eh, I'm on the opposite side to you guys on this issue. For me, having a weapon that is optimised purely to kill a lot of humans very fast is, by defintion, suspicious behaviour. And attempting to claim any sort of self defence argument is laughable. If you've got it because you think it's cool and want to waste a lot of ammo safely at a gun range, SAY THAT.

...Have you met hogs?

Yes, you want a good rifle for a hog, NOT a semi

They come in herds

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and hide in mesquite

a semi is going to piss off most hogs, not kill the things

* obligatory note that Texas's reputation gets a little worse with each state that adopts constitutional carry before them

True, but I miss my coffin mags

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not this 7 round BS

10:12

You can't do a proper plinking session with these

I need to get a coffin mag for my ar

@Morgrim Moon ...um, just to check, what do you think a semi-automatic is?

a weapon capable of burst fire at the expensive of accuracy

And @Morgrim Moon 5.56 is plenty strong round, especially at close range

10:12

Nope

they made semi-auto 20mms

you pull the trigger once and more than one bullet comes out.

I think one of those would kill a hog

I'm not all that good, I can group in a few inches at 150 yards with an AR with a red dot

facepalm

10:13

no

Incorrect @Morgrim Moon

that isn't even close

whereas a full auto is you pull the trigger and all the bullets come out until you let go

A Seim-auto in this case, is where if your first shot misses you have 59 instantly available followups

That would be an automatic weapon.

Well, it's what is taught here

full auto == fire as you hold burst fire == N shots and then stop semi-auto == one shot per pull

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@Morgrim Moon well you are being taught lies

which is nice, when a group of a few hogs will probably not die on the first shot

Also: for myself, it' a point of principle. In a free society, the baseline is that you're entitled to own absolutely anything you want unless it's mala in se . What is not prohibited is permitted.

What, then would one shot and reload be?

depends on the action

Rip into me if you want. I still say that if you can kill a whole room full of people before someone can hurl a chair at you, there aren't many non-murderous uses I can think of for that that aren't better served by other weapons. And hog hunters here do just find with bolt action rifles

Break action as an example

bolt action, lever action, break action....

not really

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Like, 30-40 targets

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all big

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all angry

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and all likely requiring more than one shot for anything short of an elephant cartridge

No, not unless they are at the other end of a football field.

@Morgrim Moon bombs are far better

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or poison gas

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or hell, mass stabbings have been quite effective out in Xinjiang

@MarcusAurelius More effective... not better.

thank $DEITY most psychos are in it for their personal fantasy and not maximizing body count

Yeah, and if someone has sarin gas I'm going to assume they don't have a great reason for it either?

Better would be a lack of violence.

because if they were we would see far worse than guns

Mass stabbings are way less lethal than mass shootings.

Just saying they are far from the most effective weapon for killing mass groups

White Phosphorus

and even then, mass shootings are a negligible amount of deaths, even counting only within gun deaths

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they just make good news

can you buy gasoline without a background check? congratulations, you have what you need

@Morgrim Moon Not trying to rip, sorry, but there is so very much misinformation out there I do like to check that we're using terms accurately. And semi-automatic is one of those terms that's being particularly abused at present. People want you to think it means big, scary, military rifles. But since it actually means "a weapon that does not require manual ejecting, reloading, and recocking", it covers almost every gun on the market today, period, down to .22 plinkers. tl;dr People with an agenda are lying to you .

and the making good news feeds back and makes for more shootings

And if you assemble that gasoline into a bomb it will be assumed you intend to use it. And people will act accordingly. So I'm never sure why guns are NOT treated in the same way.

arson

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pour it on the ground

if they were treated that way you wouldn't have any restrictions

because they aren't usually used to hurt people

mala in se

Yes, lugging around a can of accelerant for no good reason is also treated suspiciously

not really

Gascan?

how many people would you stop carrying a jerry can?

^

If you're carrying it to a vehicle or your own home nobody bats an eyelid. Carrying it to a public place and they assume you're about to burn a building or person

...not really?

Probably because that's happened a few times recently

they'll give you a weird look

You know you can buy explosives over the counter too, right? For blowing stumps, mostly, but it's not exactly the only use.

And how would you tell the difference?

I have been stopped and asked what the hell I'm doing carrying jerry cans full of WATER

Or make it (black powder)

because people thought it was fuel

I don't think anyone would stop you, unless you were carrying into a sporting event or the like where they stop you from carrying waterbottles

10:20

oh yeah, Tannerite is fun stuff

Well then where the holy hell do you live?

hmmmm........ cultural issues here

Alcatraz?

Australia

10:20

where arson is a huge fucking deal

@Morgrim Moon tell me, what would the reaction be to someone carrying a pocket knife on their keychain?

oh god

mostly because the country is very flamable and setting fires tends to cost a few million dollars and some lives

Well, true. Arson would be a big deal.

Alcatraz, Australia, whats the difference?

10:21

You can escape Alcatraz

SoCal is extremely flammable

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I don't see them causing as much shit

more so when you never do controlled burns

Well, yeah. I mean, it doesn't take practicing much chemistry to be able to make everything from bombs to poison gas out of common household chemicals. (And since I have the remains of various chemical-involving businesses around here and practice electronics as a hobby, this place is practically a freakin' arsenal.)

and they're already extremely oppressive about this sort of thing

Bleach and Lye

Pocket knifes are good tools and poor weapons. Acceptable to carry in many areas. A bowie knife is a good tool only in limited circumstances not seen in urban areas. It will be seen as a tool in the deep bush and a weapon in the city and treated accordingly. A bolt action rifle is seen as a tool mostly, unless in an urban area with no game or pests. A 'scary military style gun' is seen as a weapon, period, and you'd better be in uniform or assumed to be about to mass murder

bows out I really need to finish writing this code

Oh, speaking of which

well, how do you differentiate?

So yeah, this is my cultural context. "Is there a good reason to have it? No worries mate. Are all the reasons bad ones? We'll assume you've got it to cause shit"

In NY until recently, the AR-15 was banned, the Ruger semi-auto wasn't. They shot the same ammo, could mount the same optics, similar barrel length, and same capacity. the difference? One had wooden furniture

And considering there's a railyard in town... I mean, it's not like killing a quarter-million people would be trivial , but we're not exactly talking impossible, either. One good fuel-air IED in the right spot when a bunch of chlorine tankers are coming through town...

Well, what reasons are considered 'good'?

(I asked about the knifes because I know many parts of europe and the europe-fetishists in the US freak the hell out at the sight of a pocket knife)

"All the reasons" == "Proving a negative"

I mean, I have a bayonet in my closet

funnily I bought my pocket knife in germany

which will never be shown to campus DPS hopefully

it's hard getting a good one here

But the point was @Morgrim Moon people tend to focus on "looks scary" when banning guns they don't like instead of what makes them actually potentially dangerous

Very true.

Yeah, and I agree that is bad.

put wood furniture and a rifle grip on it, you could probably carry an M2 around /s

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^tis a 50. cal heavy machine gun

IK

I also think there are some good common sense (to me at least) gun control laws that have nothing to do with restricting what guns you can have. Like "you need a safe place to store your gun".

What is defined as a safe place?

or "if you don't report your weapon as stolen you WILL be considered partially culpable for any injuries done with it, because if your kid can get at it you have been neglegent"

A locked bulletproof safe, with 3 locks, one for ammunition, on for the body of the firearm, and one for the trigger mechanism? /sarcasm

...Kids are smart, dude

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especially teenagers

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don't underestimate the power of a bored teenager with access to Youtube lockpicking tutorials

I have two problems with those.

Hey, chamber locks are becoming a thing, no?

Well, you can have a debate about that; here it's a gun safe bolted to the floor or in a locked case within 5m of you unless you are using it, but that's arguably overkill. "Shoved loaded down the back of your underwear" or "sitting loaded on your bedside table" is NOT a safe place

Or w/e, a digital lock that secures the action so they can't chamber a round.

but yeah, guns and ammo stored separately, but mostly if you have kids in a house with guns, you teach them gun safety as soon as they can walk

10:29

because ultimately no amount of safety will stop a bored/curious kid

One of them is that if you need it, you may not have time to frack around with assorted protective devices. A home invader or rabid animal isn't going to wait for you to painstakingly unsafe and ready your weapon before attacking you.

telling them "A gun is always loaded, anything you point at you must be willing to destroy", works (edited)

poking in for a second (yeah my focus is bad why'd you ask

) Childproof locks have already killed a few kids who weren't able to defend themselves. The correct answer is to do your damn job as a parent and teach your children gun safety

3

~~my dad failed to do that, but I'm pretty sure my dad has actually lost the key to his rifle cabinet...~~

I knew how to be safe around a gun since... I was 4? probably.

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and not even that

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many of them can get circumvented by a kid whose faffing around and doesn't know it's dangerous

I never grew up around guns but was still aware of its destructive power.

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Probably because of all the military TV dramas I watched with my parents.

The other one is that it inverts the presumption of innocence in much the same ways as "attractive nuisance" laws. The only person responsible, justly speaking, for stealing something or what they do with the stolen thing is the thief .

In the vast majority of circumstances a gun is a shocking weapon for close quarters home defence, so I don't really consider 'an axe murderer bursting into your bedroom' as a great argument

You have to pick the right gun.

12 gauge semi pls

10:32

"fuck you, your three friends and the horse you rode in on"

For my preference, a sawn-off 12 gauge semi.

no, that is exactly the perfect place for a gun

15mm? 25mm? 45mm? 195mm?

you do not want to bet on the strength difference between you and a crazy nutter

eh, a full length wouldn't be in the way back home, and it works just fine as a hunting gun as well

by the time you realise what is happening and lunge for a gun and get it up you're dead

not if you live on the second floor

if true then it is true of anything else

If you have a fireproof house, a flamethrower would have good shock value. /s (edited)

You still have more chance than you do if you have no weapon, in which case you're guaranteed to be dead. (edited)

crap, refocusing on work

the process is/ 1. noise from downstairs/alarm 2. Get up, get gun from closet 3. Call cops 4. watch the door

'hurl anything at them' works surprisingly well, I've seen demonstrated. even your pillow

10:35

because it's coming at them and humans react most to that than a pointed weapon

That's a very temporary solution.

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Only if they aren't expecting someone home.

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@Overmind I see what you did there.

true, I would be of the 'stab them if I had a blade or otherwise claw their eyes out' school immediately after, but I'm aware that my ability to reflexively maim is a result of trauma and most humans can't

No, no, guys

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You throw an antimatter pillow at them

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Guaranteed they never bother you again

i mean, for family past reasons I keep a K-bar in my bed frame

how are you sleeping on the antimatter pillow?

and a bowie knife in the furniture on each side

You don't

10:36

You have a normal pillow

Lets not worry about that part. (edited)

my progression at home since the guns aren't in my room is grab knife. move to corner grab spear hold the door

It may work if all you're doing is trying to buy time to run away, which comes with two problems. One, you may not be, and probably aren't, faster than they are. Two, this is my house , within which is my family and all my stuff. I don't have to run from shit.

You keep an antimatter pillow in a magnetic containment thing under your regular pillow.

I have a kukri >.> Admittedly I haven't sharpened it because I haven't gotten around to learning how, but it's a plenty fine blunt object and intimidating as it is

But you keep the antimatter one in a Penrose trap mounted in your wall with an IN CASE OF EMERGENCY BREAK MAGNETIC CONFINEMENT sign

yeah, if you can get me you can get my mom and my sister

10:37

not happening

I would agree.

and considering our most likely intruder is a sociopath with an intent to kill both of those people, you bet I'm going for lethal force (edited)

Any particular sociopath?

ex-stepdad

Just curious.

I would have thought @MarcusAurelius would have challenged the intruder to gladitorial combat

Oh crap. That would be scary

...It is a pila, yeah

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but I intend that if he ever comes in our house he leaves in a bodybag

Hello, FBI?

Nah, gladiatorial combat is intended to be at least somewhat fair. You want to bring a legion to a barbarian fight.

because the only other likely result is that that bag would be me, accompanyed by ones holding my sister and my mom

Would an air-raid siren (in the house, not outside) work in any capacity as a deterrent? Assuming negligible spoolup time.

nope

I'm not sure I could kill. But my 'The Purge' style defence is a saucepan of molten sugar, so I think that might actually be more monsterous

I mean the big, V8 powered ones.

not really, the guy already has damaged hearing and is fine shooting 12 gauges without ear protection indoors

A la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_air_raid_siren

Chrysler air raid siren

and well, that's why the main plan is get downstairs, load the 12 gauge

...I'm thinking V8 mea- okay no it still means the same thing, wtf

or one of the semi-autos

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continue firing until he's not moving

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then reload

138 dB @ 30m

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This is hypothetical.

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Purely hypothetical.

yeah, unlikely to be effective. But yeah, I do have the "are they actually intending to hurt me" problem of self-defense solved

True.

http://batsutousai.tumblr.com/post/184033824265/spectacular-neon-blue-lava-pours-from-indonesias completely unrelated, have blue lava

Damnant quod non intellegunt

Damnant quod non intellegunt

And it's blocked by securly

May they be damned who don’t understand

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Actually no, it’s indicative. They are damned who don’t understand

fuck

10:50

my school just blocked reddit

Language

http://www.geologyin.com/2014/06/spectacular-neon-blue-lava-pours-from.html

Spectacular Neon Blue Lava Pours From Indonesia's Kawah Ijen Volca...

You've heard of "red hot" and "white hot" to describe searing temperatures. But what about "blue hot"? That's the surreal hue of Indonesia's Kawah Ijen Volcano, which glows with an otherworldly "blue lava" at night. The mountain contains large amounts of pure sulfur, which em...

just blocked it?

a portion of them

and according to several people at school, they still haven't blocked PornHub

Why wouldn’t you?

...please, school. Priorities.

And @KAL_9000 I’ll wash your mouth out with soap young man

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Well, one is far more likely to be browsed at school, let alone class, than the other

Technically, we have no rules forbidding the use of fucking profanity.

I'm still not sure why Reddit is block-worthy, TBH

Wait, how would you ask 'who are you' or 'what is your name' in Eldraeic?

It’s extremely distracting in class (edited)

then you are innocent of the darker reaches of Reddit, and this is blessed

also, Language

And yeah, there’s some sicknasty stuff on there

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And @Overmind I was joining in the sass, because, well, society has declared that because I have past an arbitrary line I have more rights than he does, and I’m in the mood to flex a little

...that was a joke.

I know

10:55

but yeah, If I were a school administrator I'd be far more worried about Reddit than Pornhub, simply because of how many more kids are likely to actually access it during school hours

Because people would likely assume PornHub is already blocked.

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Right?

...or just wouldn't try, because why would you watch porn during school?

Do you really want to ask?

yes, but I doubt even 13 year old boys are that desperate they can't wait a few hours to get home

You'd get more rep hit than boost from it

Many years ago, I used to be a sysadmin for a school. There was porn. Oh, my, there was porn.

They'll never succeed in separating teenagers from stuff on the internet.

@Overmind what level of school?

I mean, except by making the entire school a Faraday cage.

some schools do that

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Westwood's walls are thick enough concrete that you barely get cell service at the windows

Or jamming wireless, and not having wifi.

10:58

Or just jamming wireless

Jamming public communication stuff is I think illegal here in the UK.

it's not jamming if it's with concrete

Or magnets?

Mine did it by being built on farm land

UK secondary school, so 11-16 year olds.

...I'm so sorry

Yes, that's why I suggested "Faraday cage" or something - saying "jamming" implies you're actively doing something rather than just having thick walls.

My condolences.

but still, who would want to do anything in a High school bathroom?

It was still being built and they didn't bother getting rid of the cows when it meant they could mow the oval

Don't ask. You might just find out.

I mean, I know some janitor's closets and many cars were taken advantage of, but that's different

How?

because most of those places are cleaner, and more private

11:01

and more comfy

how did we get to this point?

Astronauts Anne McClain and David Saint-Jacques are performing a spacewalk outside the ISS right this second!

reddit at school

11:02

Kal brought up Pornhub

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BdxYAljWoYxX

Spacewalk on the Space Station, April 8, 2019

...Also, it's amusing that in our generation every teenage boy knows the color scheme and layout of the pornhub logo

hey, i don't go on pornhub

so when I saw a parody of it on a t-shirt in the mall, when I was with two acquaintances from summer PE, we had to make awkward eye contact before someone eventually pointed it out first

11:04

doesn't matter if you use it, it's pop-culture osmosis at this point, from comment memes if nothing else

Back to gun control, gun safety should be taught whether or not you actually have a gun: perhaps in school? Obviously, it would have to be opt-out-able.

I say it should be handled before elementary school, but yeah, that's not a bad idea

or how about

Because too many people don't know one end from the other (figuratively (I hope)).

definitely more effective than abstinence only sex ed at least

we don't let people have lethal weapons

Just a matter of basic life competence, indeed.

And that's not good at all.

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